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Friday, February 16, 2007

Funny Math

I got these by e-mail the other day and, as an alumna of a major northeastern technological university (though not a mathematician), I was in hysterics. I don't know if these are real, but in any event there's some good stuff here. You don't need any knowledge of higher math to see the humor.

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posted by the Den Mother | © | 2/16/2007 05:03:00 PM
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Weren't these questions from F-Tests circa 1982? Did most of these guys climb the rope at RSE??

Posted by Blogger John M | 2/20/2007 12:07 PM  


Sounds like an RPI alumnus! Ha ha ha! I avoided F-tests by being an Archie...

Posted by Anonymous The Den Mother | 2/21/2007 10:55 AM  


What went on in the Greene Bldg anyway??? Just staring at the Chrinitiod? Say hello to Karen Koenig for me.

Posted by Blogger John M | 2/22/2007 2:42 PM  


OK, now you're really freaking me out! Give me a hint...

P.S. RIP the Chrinitoid :(

Posted by Anonymous the den mother | 2/23/2007 11:25 AM  


aka McIrish

BTW I hear the Crinitoid is in Zurich.

Posted by Blogger John M | 2/23/2007 3:17 PM  


For crying out loud, I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning and you want me to recall nicknames from 25 years ago?

Hmmmm... Army?

Posted by Anonymous the den mother | 2/24/2007 9:25 PM  


Actually, most people thought that was my real name. I remember years later talking to Rick Shaw (TKE '86) and he said "I just found out that your real name isn't McIrish". I was actually tagged with it by Jordan Hirsch (PKE '86ish) when he couldn't remember my real name.

So, yes I was there for 3 semesters, Fall '82 thru Fall '83. Lived on Mike Hober's floor freshman year, pledged Theta Chi. I knew Karen K. very well I also knew the Little People (Martha Grewe, Helen Ra, Linda Wong, and Kerry ??). Hung around with Jordan, Tom Flatley, Chris Corkery, lots of TKE guys. I got to know Ivette Ruiz better through Mike. Went to their wedding. Just spoke to Mike about 2 weeks ago.

Anyway, I flunked out in a spectacular way in Dec '83, came home, got a job, got married, had 3 kids, finished school at night, had 2 more kids. Currently working for Capital One (formerly North Fork Bank) on Lawn Guyland. I am currently in sporadic contact with: Jordan, Hober, Flatley, Karen, Bob McAuliffe, and Jim Marinas.

If you know me as John McCaffery, I don't know how, but I probably embassased my self in front of you at some point between 1982 and 1986.

Posted by Blogger John M | 2/26/2007 12:09 PM  


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Wednesday, February 14, 2007

Self-Congratulation at Its Worst

I post on a sports-related message board that allows user to set signatures for their posts. One particular board member had a signature that belied her politics as well as her own desire to be considered legitimately patriotic. Perhaps you have seen this quote, which is widely used by opponents of the Iraq war in particular or the Bush Administration in general.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." —Thomas Jefferson

It had been there for awhile, that quote at the bottom of each one of her posts. But for some reason, it got under my skin about a month ago. So one day, at the end of a post about something completely different, I decided to gently correct her.

P.S. XXXX - re: your sig - that wasn't Thomas Jefferson.
urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/146858.htm

Keeping in mind that the site I linked to contains a direct link to the official web site of Monticello (Jefferson's home) on which quote is said to not be Jefferson's, you can understand how surpirsed I was when my friend replied thus:

I'll keep it there until I do a little research of my own. It's still a great quote.

(Edit: I decided not to depend upon the Urban Legend site as the bearer of fact and emailed the www.monticello.org site and asked them.)

By then, I was becoming annoyed. Obviously she hadn't read the site I directed her to. If she had, she would have seen the reference to a page at monticello.org, where Jefferson historians debunk the quote. Did she think they would suddenly change their minds upon receiving an inquiry from her? I couldn't help lobbing this back:

If they reply to your e-mail, don't be surprised if they refer you to this page on their own web site:

www.monticello.org/library/reference/spurious.html
    Quote:
    There are a number of quotes that we do not find in Thomas Jefferson's correspondence or other writings; in such cases, Jefferson should not be cited as the source. They include the following:

    "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

    We see this one fairly frequently. We are not sure where it originated, although some speculate that Howard Zinn introduced it as recently as 2002 (see urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/146858.htm). As evidence that Jefferson probably would not have expressed such a sentiment, we offer the following (genuine) quote:

    "Political dissension is doubtless a less evil than the lethargy of despotism: but still it is a great evil, and it would be as worthy the efforts of the patriot as of the philosopher, to exclude it's influence if possible, from social life. The good are rare enough at best. There is no reason to subdivide them by artificial lines. But whether we shall ever be able so far to perfect the principles of society as that political opinions shall, in it's intercourse, be as inoffensive as those of philosophy, mechanics, or any other, may well be doubted." TJ to Thomas Pinckney, 29 May 1797
It's possible, of course, that Zinn isn't the author of the quote either, though the actual published interview in which he said it doesn't have him attributing it to Jefferson or anyone else. It seems likely that it was Zinn's own quote, his way of elevating his own sense of patriotism without really thinking too much about the wider implications. I doubt, for example, that he would consider white supremacist "dissenters" or someone like the Unabomber as being particularly patriotic. What he probably means is, "Dissent that I agree with is the highest form of patriotism."

P.S. I'm not picking on you personally, XXXX. It's just that I go nuts when I see miscredited quotes. Those essays going around by e-mail attributed to George Carlin or Andy Rooney especially get under my skin. If you had one of those as your sig, I'd have to go on a homicidal rampage. <smiley>

Are you seeing the humor yet? The Monticello site not only debunks the attribution of the quote to Jefferson, but also refers to the urban legends site I mentioned in the first place to clarify who actually did say it. I'm good, huh?

Coolness. They responded quickly. Here is the response:

Thanks for your e-mail (and your diligence in checking this out). That particular quote has its own entry in our "Spurious Quotes" page where we have a detailed explanation of how we think it and inaccurate quotes originated.

www.monticello.org/librar...rious.html

Enjoy!

Chad Wollerton
Monticello Webmaster

(with the link [the Den Mother] gave)

What is it that made someone credit this quote to Thomas Jefferson in the first place? Probably the motivation to legitimize it, thereby lending to those who agree with the sentiment a sense of self-importance. If Thomas Jefferson, of all people, said it, then obviously it's a sentiment worth holding, right? Patriotism is the couture of choice among those on the far left end of the idealogical spectrum, ever since they figured out that most Americans are patriotic and look with suspicion on people who aren't. It's a shrewd move, rooted in the political reality that what a public figure believes isn't nearly as important as what s/he can get people to think s/he believes. We're seeing that now in Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who painted himself a liberal when he ran against Ted Kennedy in 1994 here in liberal Massachusetts but presents himself as a conservative now that he is courting conservative primary voters.

As for why so many people perpetuate the Jefferson misquote, chalk it up to a persistent naivete that believes that if they see it in pixels on their computer screen, it's gospel. This is the same reason why so many people fall for those Nigerian unclaimed money scams or buy "herbal Viagra" or think their online banking account really was compromised and they have to log on to confirm their security information. People are gullible.

Oh, and they also crave legitimacy.

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posted by the Den Mother | © | 2/14/2007 02:38:00 PM
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Dissent is a high form of patriotism, but meta-dissent is apparently not enthusiastically received.

As far as why people miscredit quotes, /laziness/ is on top of my guess (sic) list.

As you mention, legitimizing the quote is
the old appeal_to_authority ploy from "The Book of Invalid Arguments" which was written by Einstein.

Posted by Anonymous jbgrosh@mindspring.com | 2/23/2007 11:27 AM  


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Thursday, February 01, 2007

Biden the Bigot Redux

The Washington Post today is reporting as follows about what U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said about his Senate colleague and fellow presidential candidate Barack Obama:

In the interview, Biden described Obama as "the first mainstream African American [presidential candidate] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

That sounds a little nicer than what was reported yesterday, but it isn't what Biden said. His actual quote did not include the words "presidential candidate"—or any other words—where the Post has inserted them. If the remark was preceded by a reference to presidential candidates, such that whatever followed could reasonably be taken in that context, then the newspaper should report the context. I have seen no such context presented in the many news stories and blogs I've read. For that matter, Biden himself had plenty of opportunities yesterday to make clear if that was the case and, as far as I have seen reported, failed to do so. It isn't the responsibility or right of the Post to amend Biden's statement after the fact without substantiation.

Incidentally, the Post also points out that the Obama comment wasn't Biden's first racial/ethnic gaffe.

In a videotaped exchange with a supporter last June, he said, "You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts [in Delaware] unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

If I were one of Biden's political advisors, I'd advise him to keep his mouth shut for the remainder of the campaign.

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