Musings from the Den Mother

You can fool some of the people all the time
and you can fool all the people some of the time
but you can't fool Mom

Women's Ordination Conference  Freedom House  Stand with Israel  AII POW/MIA  Feminists for Life of America  Take Back the Memorial  American Red Cross  National Marrow Donor Program  The New Agenda
LISTEN to the Den Mother's Christmas Music Sampler

Thursday, July 28, 2005

Mystical Communion — I Like That

Some of these online quizzes are fun and interesting. It's always worth remembering that many of them are made by people who aren't necessarily experts in the subject at hand. In this case, though I thought the quiz was well thought out. I'm not sure I agree with the summary of my results, but I'm intrigued by it.

You scored as Mystical Communion Model. Your model of the church is Mystical Communion, which includes both People of God and Body of Christ. The church is essentially people in union with Christ and the Father through the Holy Spirit. Both lay people and clergy are drawn together in a family of faith. This model can exalt the church beyond what is appropriate, but can be supplemented with other models.

Mystical Communion Model

84%

Sacrament model

72%

Herald Model

56%

Servant Model

50%

Institutional Model

11%

What is your model of the church? [Dulles] (created with QuizFarm.com

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/28/2005 11:09:00 AM
Comments (0) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 0


Post a Comment



Friday, July 22, 2005

Who's Afraid of Jane?

No one has ever accused me of being a court watcher. While I like to keep abreast of what the appellate courts and the United States Supreme Court are saying about the issues of the day, prognosticating on who the next judicial nominee will be and sifting through nominees' garbage have never been my idea of a good time. So I barely noticed when talk of George W. Bush's Supreme Court nominee, John Roberts, turned away from the nominee and toward his wife—until I realized that I know his wife.

Jane Sullivan (later Jane Sullivan Roberts) and I worked together on the board of directors of Feminists for Life of America in the 1990s. I knew her as a highly intelligent woman, an accomplished attorney, and a consummate professional. She is also against abortion, which means that she is now being vilified by single issue wing nuts who would appoint Mickey Mouse to the Supreme Court if he promised to keep abortion not only legal but as prevalent as possible. And make no mistake—those people are scared to death of Jane, if for no other reason than that she may—gasp!—influence her husband.

Fine, I'll play their game. Who exactly is Jane Sullivan Roberts? Let's look at the picture painted by Nina Easton of the Boston Globe:

In 1998, two teenage girls—one pregnant, one a new mother—sued a Kentucky school district because officials there, hoping to send teens a message about unwed motherhood, denied them admission to the National Honor Society.

In an affidavit filed in the case, Serrin M. Foster, president of the group Feminists for Life, argued that the school district's policy would "encourage students to hide their pregnancies and not seek prenatal care...and instead obtain an abortion, or, worst of all, commit neonatal infanticide."

Foster's affidavit was written by a technology attorney named Jane Sullivan Roberts [...]

In the course of her work for Feminists for Life, where she serves as pro bono counsel, Roberts has allied with many of the same groups that are fighting her husband's nomination. Among them: NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, and NARAL. In the Kentucky case, her affidavit supported a case filed by the American Civil Liberties Union.

Or Hanna Rosin of the Washington Post:

[S]he has lived a modern feminist adventurer's life, traveling the world in her twenties, collecting degrees in math and education, becoming a partner at a competitive D.C. law firm, starting her own family in her forties.

[ . . . ]

At the moment she found Feminists for Life, they were just gearing up for a transformation, and Roberts instantly joined the board and gave the group legal advice. In their efforts to address the causes of abortion, they banded with traditional feminist groups to lobby for the Violence Against Women Act and against certain welfare cuts.

[ . . . ]

At Holy Cross, in Massachusetts, she was part of its first freshman class of women. Some had opposed the decision to integrate, so the women who chose to go there were seen as pathbreakers, pioneers walking into sometimes uncomfortable territory.

Dangerous stuff, these women who dare to think for themselves, refuse to be pigeonholed, and—most shocking of all—have the unmitigated gall to work for a more just society for women instead of just bitching about the one we have now.

One can certainly understand why the abortion apologists who are now trying to depict Jane Sullivan Roberts as a whack job are so threatened. For them, it's all about abortion. Not that they'll ever admit it. On the contrary, they like to pretend they aren't really for abortion at all. Yet in trying to convince others, they often unwittingly concede that abortion is not a free choice but rather something that is chosen by women who feel they've been backed into a corner. Don't take my word for it—listen to them:

No woman wants to have an abortion for the fun of it or as some sort of rite of passage. The decision to have an abortion reflects the poverty and inequities of the world we live in: scarce resources for and commitment to children; relationships where men are not prepared to love and commit to women and children; hostility toward sexuality and women.
Catholics for a Free Choice
Kate Michelman, head of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League, made a statement to the Philadelphia Inquirer. "We think abortion is a bad thing. No woman wants to have an abortion." After publication in that paper, Michelman denied that she said it, but it was on tape.
—As referenced by Rachel MacNair, Achieving Peace in the Abortion War
No woman wants to have an abortion, but many college women would prefer that choice be there if they have to choose between having an early baby and having a college education.
Melanie Delp, UNC Greenboro

If we are to take these people at their word, we see that it is far less pro-woman to merely perpetuate what women see as a tragic last resort than it is to focus on providing more first resorts. Abortion advocacy organizations like Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Rights Action League and the National Organization for Women cling to the last resort because that where the money is. Feminists for Life, through the hard work of people like Jane Sullivan Roberts, works on making more available the options that women want so they don't end up with their backs against the wall with abortion as the only way out.

The fact is that if Jane did the very same advocacy work on the very same issues for a pro-abortion organization that she has done for Feminists for Life, she'd be hailed as a committed feminist. Of course, she'd be hard pressed to find a pro-abortion organization that actually offers other choices to women. They're Madison Avenue tag line of "pro-choice" is spot on because they're for only one choice while denigrating the others. So strident is abortion orthodoxy that it encourages the narrow-mindedness that renders adherents incapable of thinking outside the box and effecting the kind of social change needed to address the most challenging situations that 21st century women face. Read the above quotes one more time and you'll see a trend: Abortion defenders see poverty and inequities, scarce resources, non-supportive men, hostility toward women, women having to choose between their children and their educations—and they think abortion will fix it. People like Jane see the same thing and seek to eliminate the injustices instead of eliminating the children. The two approaches are light years apart.

While strong independent women like Jane Sullivan Roberts are blazing trails, the pseudo-feminist establishment keeps itself mired down in the same tired thinking that has failed to solve the problems that lead women to abortion in the first place. No wonder they're all afraid of Jane.

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/22/2005 02:09:00 PM
Comments (3) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 3


Nice try at spin. It is YOU and your ilk from Feminists for Life who are the fake feminists.

The organization's site is FULL of LIES that ANYBODY knowledgeable about abortion can refute.

It's one thing to be personally against abortion, but it's another to try and influence legislation.

Feminists for Life is no more feminist than the Eagle Forum.

And as a long time observer of the abortion wars, I know what I'm talking about, unlike you.

Posted by Blogger Susan | 7/22/2005 5:02 PM  


Please, enlighten us about the lies to which you allude, if you can. I won't hold my breath because I have read frequent blanket accusations about Feminists for Life's "lies" and those accusations, without exception, include no specifics.

But thank you for providing a concrete example of that tired thinking I mentioned. You have served an important public service.

Posted by Blogger Kelly | 7/23/2005 5:30 PM  


Hello. My name is Melanie Delp. You quoted me from the UNC Greensboro Carolinian. It is true that I think women are choosing abortion. It's not like a gun is stuck to their head. I also find the idea that a woman isn't choosing something, that she has no mind of her own to be condescending. It suggests that women have no mind of their own.

However, I've also been somebody who advocates finding alternatives to abortion for women who want to give birth. Ironically enough, I do support some of the work Feminists for Life do because of that. I also advocate ways in reducing unwanted pregnancy to begin with. I heard that not getting pregnant leads out to less abortions.

So yes, I do acknowledge that we need to work harder to find women alternatives to abortion. However, if you want me to say that women have no mind of their own and that the abortion was not their choice to make, you'll be waiting a long time. Unless the woman was legally forced, that choice was hers.

Posted by Blogger Melanie | 11/17/2008 11:14 PM  


Post a Comment



Thursday, July 21, 2005

This Is What's Wrong with Conservative Christianity

As a single woman all my life, I have never felt "out of place" at church. I am a cradle Catholic, much more active in adulthood than I was as a child, and have always belonged to moderate congregations. So this attitude is completely foreign to me:

With keys in one hand and a Bible clutched in the other, I get out of my car and take the first step of what I know to be the longest walk of my life. After overcoming the urge, more than once, to turn around and go home, I take a deep breath as I begin walking up the front steps. At the top, I am greeted with a handshake before merging unnoticed into the crowd as I make my way to an empty pew. I keep myself occupied by reading the church bulletin. It's Sunday again, and I'm single!

"It can be dispiriting to sit alone in a church seemingly full of married couples. Many single people—generally happy, well-adjusted folks—feel utterly uncomfortable in church," said Camerin Courtney, an editor for Today's Christian Woman, as quoted in Lauren Winner's book titled, Real Sex: The Naked Truth About Chastity.

Such a problem exists only in a church that views marriage as the primary goal of one's very existence. Chances are, such a church's idea of marriage is something like this:

God has given men and women different roles in the family, the Church, and society. This teaching of Christ is mostly ignored by modern society.

"The husband is the chief of the family and the head of the wife. The woman, because she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone, must be subject to her husband and obey him; not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honor nor dignity. Since the husband represents Christ, and since the wife represents the Church, let there always be, both in him who commands and in her who obeys, a heaven-born love guiding both in their respective duties." [Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical on Christian Marriage, Arcanum Divinae, n. 11]

The first quote comes from the American Family Association, headed by a conservative United Methodist minister. The second comes from a conservative Catholic web site. Both quotes reveal the error of traditionalist Christian thought, that people as created by God aren't really good enough until they clothe themselves in man-made gender roles.

I used to think that such attitudes were the inevitable consequence of Christian fundamentalism/conservatism. Lara, an online friend from way back, recently showed me otherwise when she told me about having embraced the concept of biblical equality. Still, while oppressive gender stereotyping may not be inevitable among conservative Christians, it remains prevalent.

In many ways, I am much more liberal than even my own congregation. I do know several progressives who are active in the parish, but as a whole we don't really embrace progressivism the way I'd like to. Nevertheless, I am fully accepted as a single mother engaged in lay ministry roles and have never felt discouraged from participation on any level because of my marital or parental status. Part of the reason is because I am comfortable in my own skin and assert my right to be where I am and doing what I'm doing, but I have not had to ignore the actions or comments of other parishioners or church staff in order to do so. On the contrary, my participation has been actively sought and welcomed.

So to those like the writer of the first article, I say that if you are shunned in your church community, you can and should find another church. And to the writer of the second, I say that I hope you stay far away from my parish. We don't need or want you.

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/21/2005 06:46:00 PM
Comments (0) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 0


Post a Comment



Pray for Londoners, Again

Fourteen days after the deadly terrorist attacks against London's public transit system, there have been more bombings, CNN.com is reporting. This time, a hospital may also be a target or in some other way involved.

Police said Thursday there were small explosions at Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush stations and an incident was reported on a bus in east London.

Scotland Yard also confirmed they were looking into an "incident" at University College Hospital, where armed officers have been deployed. Witnesses report policemen with flak jackets entered the hospital along with dogs.

Though initial reports are sketchy, it does not appear that today's attacks are as serious in terms of casualties as the July 7 bombings. Still, this can't be good news for a city and a nation that have ramped up security measures in the last two weeks.

Update

The BBC is describing the attacks as "minor blasts" and reports one injury and no fatalities. Authorities have arrested two and continue to puruse "a number" more; they believe today's explosions are related in some way to the terrorist attacks two weeks ago.

To continue to follow this story online:

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/21/2005 01:26:00 PM
Comments (0) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 0


Post a Comment



Friday, July 08, 2005

We Stand with Britain

The Den Mother is proud to join Robert Mayer and others in flying the Union Jack in solidarity with our friends.

We are all Britons

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/08/2005 07:14:00 AM
Comments (1) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 1


As a Brit, I just want to say...thankyou.

God Bless.

Posted by Blogger ukok | 7/20/2005 5:04 PM  


Post a Comment



Thursday, July 07, 2005

Leave No One Behind

U.S. Navy Capt. M. Scott Speicher, if he is still alive, will be 48 years old next week. More than 14 of those years have passed since his aircraft was shot down over Iraq and he was declared dead. The problem was that he apparently ejected, survived, and may even have been captured, something that was not thought to be the case until many years and a lengthy investigation later.

Capt. Speicher's family an friends had great reason to hope he would be found after Saddam Hussein's regime fell in 2003 and U.S. troops occupied Iraq. Instead, the leads dried up one by one. Rumors from earlier this year suggested that the Navy might again change Speicher's status, this time back to Killed in Action.

Now comes a bit of good news that the Navy isn't willing to give up on finding him quite yet. A special board of inquiry has recommended that efforts to find Speicher be not only continued but intensified.

As his friends strongly believe, he needs to be brought home if alive and given a proper burial on American soil if dead. The Department of Defense continues to seek the return of MIAs from prior wars dating back to World War II, and every so often their efforts result in the return of remains to the families. Capt. Speicher, who may still be alive, deserves at least that much effort.

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/07/2005 06:14:00 PM
Comments (0) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 0


Post a Comment



Sympathy, Solidarity

The apparent terrorist attacks that shook London earlier today were intended to coincide with the G8 summit, theorized Prime Minister Tony Blair. Perhaps an unintended by-product of that timing is the ability of the world's leaders to make a visible display of solidarity by appearing alongside Blair as he addressed the media. The not-so-subliminal message: terrorist barbarians will be confronted by the ire of the civilized world, which will unite against them.

Update

The casualties continue to mount, with 37 now reported as killed and hundreds upon hundreds injured. Perhaps that is the silver lining, that so many managed to survive. You may recall that there were relatively few injuries as a result of the September 11 attacks; in the World Trade Center towers in particular, those who didn't get out unscathed simply perished when the buildings collapsed.

Major events such as this tend to bring out the crackpots, and they all seem to be congregating over at Democratic Underground, where terrorism apologists abound and have no trouble finding reasons why Londoners deserved to be attacked:

[R]emember who it was that launched an unprovoked invasion of a disarmed country and murdered 112,000 Iraqis. How many times sicker are those people?? THAT is what these people are responding to.

On the other hand, saner minds have issued unequivocal condemnations of the bombings. Among the best statements I have read is from U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld:

[I]f these terrorists thought they could intimidate the people of a great nation, they picked the wrong people and the wrong nation. For generations, tyrants, fascists, and terrorists have sought to carry out their violent designs upon the British people only to founder upon its unrelenting shores.

Before long, I suspect that those responsible for these acts will encounter British steel. Their kind of steel has an uncommon strength. It does not bend or break.

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/07/2005 04:06:00 PM
Comments (0) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 0


Post a Comment



Wednesday, July 06, 2005

It's London in 2012

The International Olympic Committee has selected London, England as the host of the 2012 summer Olympics. London beat out Paris, Madrid, New York, and Moscow for the biennial honor.

The conventional wisdom had Paris as the favorite, but as was the case with the selection of Beijing for 2008, that prediction proved wrong. Moscow was the first of the finalist cities to be eliminated in the voting, followed by New York and then Madrid. French representatives were said to be stunned by the final vote.

Having never been to London, I have no personal opinion as to how they will fare hosting an event of Olympic magnitude. They hosted the games twice previously, but the Games—and the world—are quite a bit bigger now. Still, if Athens managed to pull it off in 2004 in spite of the ineptness of their organizing committee, London should certainly be able to get it together in the next seven years.

What is interesting about London (like Sydney in 2000) is that it isn't easily accessible by motorists from other countries. A larger-than-usual percentage of visitors will arrive by plane or take the train ride from mainland Europe via the Chunnel. In either case, visitors will rely heavily on public transportation, which is a good thing considering what a mess such an influx of tourists would make if they were to bring in their own cars.

As for why the U.S. will not be hosting the games for the fifth time in less than 35 years, the opposite traffic situation applies in New York. A focal point of the United States' great northeastern megalopolis, New York is a day's drive or less for millions upon millions of people who might not be able to afford to go to an Olympics if they had to fly. And it is not an easy city for visitors to move around in; toll bridges tie up traffic throughout the boroughs, signage is poor to non-existent in many areas, and the easily navigable Manhattan street grid becomes a parking lot at least twice a day with just the cars they already have. The city is also ill-suited for the type of centralized activity that helps make the Olympic experience so exciting; I can't imagine how they could manage even two or three event venues within walking distance of one another. The recent failure to finalize plans for a new waterfront stadium must have weighed heavily against them as well. In my opinion, New York didn't have a prayer.

But I digress. Now London embarks on the long road that Torino, Beijing, and Vancouver are already on. Like those cities and others before, I'm sure they'll put on a fabulous show.

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/06/2005 12:47:00 PM
Comments (0) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 0


Post a Comment



Monday, July 04, 2005

Independence

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

 When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.—Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
 He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
 He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
 He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
 He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
 He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
 He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
 He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
 He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
 He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
 He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
 He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
 He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
 He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
 For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
 For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
 For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
 For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
 For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
 For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
 For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
 For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
 For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
 He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
 He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
 He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
 He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
 He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
 In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
 Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
 We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

 Button Gwinnett
 Lyman Hall
 George Walton

 William Hooper
 Joseph Hewes
 John Penn
 Edward Rutledge
 Thomas Heyward, Jr.
 Thomas Lynch, Jr.
 Arthur Middleton

 John Hancock
 Samuel Chase
 William Paca
 Thomas Stone
 Charles Carroll of Carrollton
 George Wythe
 Richard Henry Lee
 Thomas Jefferson
 Benjamin Harrison
 Thomas Nelson, Jr.
 Francis Lightfoot Lee
 Carter Braxton

 Robert Morris
 Benjamin Rush
 Benjamin Franklin
 John Morton
 George Clymer
 James Smith
 George Taylor
 James Wilson
 George Ross
 Caesar Rodney
 George Read
 Thomas McKean

 William Floyd
 Philip Livingston
 Francis Lewis
 Lewis Morris
 Richard Stockton
 John Witherspoon
 Francis Hopkinson
 John Hart
 Abraham Clark

 Josiah Bartlett
 William Whipple
 Samuel Adams
 John Adams
 Robert Treat Paine
 Elbridge Gerry
 Stephen Hopkins
 William Ellery
 Roger Sherman
 Samuel Huntington
 William Williams
 Oliver Wolcott
 Matthew Thornton

posted by the Den Mother | © | 7/04/2005 09:38:00 AM
Comments (0) | | permalink | main | email this

Pearls of visitor wisdom posted so far: 0


Post a Comment


about
mood
search
subscribe
archives
other blogs
listed